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Post by Max on Aug 13, 2005 17:42:30 GMT -5
Yayy, CC (we know what that stands for)! You've now taken off the only smooth jazz station and replaced it with what? what? Another rock station going head to head with QMF and the ever arrogant, self-righteous 'QMF played 18 commercials last hour' WSFR! What...was WJZL not making you enough money? Tsk, tsk! Lotta people liked 93.1 and 101.7. CC knows it, but this proves what people on these two sites say, that they've no clue what the pulse of Kentuckiana is, nor do they care.
Okay, now that I'm off my soapbox, for those who don't know, in the format merry-go-around, 100.5 the Fox is now an 80's station called Louey-something. The Fox's format seems to have been tweaked to be more in line with the other two rock 'leaders'. So now we are left with again mostly country, rock and two moldies stations.
Okay, now I'm off for sure. Wore my t-shirt to drill this weekend for PT and got almost all blank looks, especially from those younger than me, but surprisingly also from folks my age or older. Guess we here on 79WAKY.com and 1080WKLO.com are about the only ones that remember the two stations, at least at the Reserve Center. But keep wearing your shirts proudly, stand tall and eventually people are going to ask you questions. Then you can direct them to these sites and peak their interest!
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Post by RJC on Aug 14, 2005 3:47:34 GMT -5
Yayy, CC (we know what that stands for)! You've now taken off the only smooth jazz station and replaced it with what? what? Another rock station going head to head with QMF and the ever arrogant, self-righteous 'QMF played 18 commercials last hour' WSFR! What...was WJZL not making you enough money? Tsk, tsk! Lotta people liked 93.1 and 101.7. CC knows it, but this proves what people on these two sites say, that they've no clue what the pulse of Kentuckiana is, nor do they care. Okay, now that I'm off my soapbox, for those who don't know, in the format merry-go-around, 100.5 the Fox is now an 80's station called Louey-something. The Fox's format seems to have been tweaked to be more in line with the other two rock 'leaders'. So now we are left with again mostly country, rock and two moldies stations. Okay, now I'm off for sure. Wore my t-shirt to drill this weekend for PT and got almost all blank looks, especially from those younger than me, but surprisingly also from folks my age or older. Guess we here on 79WAKY.com and 1080WKLO.com are about the only ones that remember the two stations, at least at the Reserve Center. But keep wearing your shirts proudly, stand tall and eventually people are going to ask you questions. Then you can direct them to these sites and peak their interest! Max, I wasn't a fan of the Smoothe Jazz format, but I was a listener of The Fox, and this entire situation is beyond lame.  |
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Post by GilHerbigJr on Aug 14, 2005 5:32:58 GMT -5
I have been saying this for several years now and I think we all pretty much feel the same, Louisville radio just keep going down...and then they just can't understand why people are going to sattelite |
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Post by RJC on Aug 14, 2005 16:09:53 GMT -5
I have been saying this for several years now and I think we all pretty much feel the same, Louisville radio just keep going down...and then they just can't understand why people are going to sattelite They understand, they just don't care, what the listeners think. |
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Post by Elmo O Doobie on Aug 16, 2005 21:08:10 GMT -5
Dudes,
Take a deep breath. Your new station is a variation of the "Jack" format. It means a bigger playlist of songs (as many as 900 in rotation instead of the usual 250), a 10 minute per hour cap on commercials and, if it stays true to the format: NO LIVE JOCKS... in other words, Hi-95 in 2005... Not everyone wants personality with their music... and judging by the number of people on cell phones in their cars, some want no radio at all...
Imagine Les Nessman breaking into that format for your next tornado warning.... Louisville radio is not going down, Your parents said that when WAKY, KLO and WINN battled it out.. It's moving on....You're the one staying behind...
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Post by Kevin on Aug 16, 2005 22:31:32 GMT -5
you said:
Imagine Les Nessman breaking into that format for your next tornado warning
what do you mean by that?
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Post by RJC on Aug 16, 2005 23:08:15 GMT -5
Dudes, Take a deep breath. Your new station is a variation of the "Jack" format. It means a bigger playlist of songs (as many as 900 in rotation instead of the usual 250), a 10 minute per hour cap on commercials and, if it stays true to the format: NO LIVE JOCKS... in other words, Hi-95 in 2005... Not everyone wants personality with their music... and judging by the number of people on cell phones in their cars, some want no radio at all... Imagine Les Nessman breaking into that format for your next tornado warning.... Louisville radio is not going down, Your parents said that when WAKY, KLO and WINN battled it out.. It's moving on....You're the one staying behind... We have all said on this board at one time or another, that we wanted a station that played everything, but the problem for me was they moved a very successful rock station. 100.5 belonged to The Fox, they were the only station to ever broadcast there in this market, now The Fox has been moved to a radio graveyard in 93.1 and/or 101.7. |
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Post by Max on Aug 17, 2005 7:34:10 GMT -5
RJC, I'm having a hard time really getting the point of 93.1 being a radio graveyard. Don't confuse that frequency's position with the low-end of NPR and not for profit stations. It may be close, but it's still in the range of what one may consider 'real' radio stations. After all, the smooth jazz station had a pretty good signal in E'town. Certainly no better than 100.5. I do, however, have a problem with them using a translator at 101.7. While I understand 93.1 may not be strongest in parts of Jefferson County where 101.7 might, it robs a frequency that could be available for another station. This is part of the FCC's consideration regarding Low Power FM.
In response to 'Elmo', which I doubt is your real name, no one here has yet said the new format of Louis-FM is a bad one. Just some folks may have preferred the previous format, although it hasn't gone away...it's just moved. And as far as accusing anyone here of being left behind because radio has 'moved on', I invite you to read all the posts since February of this year and I believe you'll find we are of one accord...we like radio the way it used to be. And in case you haven't noticed, this is a WAKY tribute website, not a current radio mutual admiration society, of which we, or at least I, have little of.
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Post by Young Daniel King on Aug 17, 2005 14:21:46 GMT -5
Dudes, Take a deep breath. Your new station is a variation of the "Jack" format. It means a bigger playlist of songs (as many as 900 in rotation instead of the usual 250), a 10 minute per hour cap on commercials and, if it stays true to the format: NO LIVE JOCKS... in other words, Hi-95 in 2005... Not everyone wants personality with their music... and judging by the number of people on cell phones in their cars, some want no radio at all... Imagine Les Nessman breaking into that format for your next tornado warning.... Louisville radio is not going down, Your parents said that when WAKY, KLO and WINN battled it out.. It's moving on....You're the one staying behind... Personally, I prefer Elmo P. Doobie. I'm with Max...Most, if NOT ALL, of us prefer radio the way it USED to be. I've had many people ask me over the past 15 years if I missed being in Radio. I respond: "No, I miss being in Radio during the 70s". As Gordon Sinclair said..Just one man's opinion. |
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Post by Gary Clark on Aug 17, 2005 14:52:05 GMT -5
The 101.7 frequency is not a translator station. It's a full power class A licensed to Shelbyville, Kentucky. Originally 101.7 was licensed to Jeffersontown, Kentucky and came on the air in the late 70's. During its time on 101.7 the transmitter had to be at least 15 miles from Downtown Louisville because of 102.3. A frequency and city of license swap was done and now 101.3 is on the Kaden Tower in eastern Jefferson County and 101.7 is broadcasting on the tower just east of Shelbyville.
When I worked at 101.7 in the early 80's we always said that the call letters WJYL stood for Where Jeffersontown's your Limit. Never was a very good signal for a Rim Blaster!
Gary
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Post by Max on Aug 17, 2005 15:12:37 GMT -5
Yes, 101.7 came on the air in the late 70's as WZZX, but until a few weeks ago it was the translator for WJZL Clarksville. Even if it isn't called a 'translator', it certainly identified itself as "93.1/101.7 WJZL..." Shortly before I left WODC 88.5FM in Virginia Beach, we purchased a translator so we could reach another portion of Hampton Roads. When I checked in with their website a few months ago, I found that they have changed call letters, moved their studios and now have a third translator, and they still call it 'translator'.
And by the way, Saturday when I was in Louisville as soon as I tried to tune in for jazz on 93.1, I switched to 101.7 just to be sure and sure enough, the Fox was on both frequencies.
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Post by RJC on Aug 17, 2005 15:31:16 GMT -5
RJC, I'm having a hard time really getting the point of 93.1 being a radio graveyard. Max, what I was trying to say is I have yet to see a station make it on 93.1. First it was country music station "The Bull", then Smooth Jazz, neither made it there. Maybe I'm wrong, and The Fox will prosper there, I hope that's the case. I and many other listeners can't get 93.1 that well(some not at all). |
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Post by Max on Aug 17, 2005 15:45:25 GMT -5
Which was more than likely JZL's reason for the need of a translator. With a few exceptions, I got better reception with the lower frequency. The Fox will probably do well there, but time (and arbitrons) will tell. If not, they'll shop for another slot. I imagine with several stations in the 99.7 to 107.7 frequency, it tends to get crowded. I know when I'm up in Louisville, I get alot of low power FM stations up there that don't quite reach to E'town. So while it doesn't seem to make sense from where I'm at (down here), once I get up there I can see where stations may complain about stronger stations interfering.
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Post by Kevin on Aug 17, 2005 18:49:01 GMT -5
All of this is very interesting, but it still doesn't answer the question of why they did it. I know its related to money but how? I mean that stupid LoueyFM doesn't even play any commercials. How can they make money on that?
I have never been a big rock listener since the grudge days, but for CC to put all that advertising all those years into "100.5 The Fox" and then just throw it away is mind boggling. Isn't the goal of a radio station to get the public to know its call signs by heart?
They throw all the FOX goodwill away and start from scratch with LoueyFM?
Why?
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Post by Kevin on Aug 17, 2005 23:15:16 GMT -5
Oh Man, my wife and I got in the car tonight and after a few minutes driving she got all excited and perked up and said, "Hey, there's a great new radio station called LoueyFM. I think it's around 100 something. It plays all the good songs. We listened to it at work."
I just looked at her for a few seconds realizing I am sleeping with the enemy.
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Post by Elmo P Doobie on Aug 19, 2005 14:35:58 GMT -5
"The innovator is not the opponent of the old. He is the proponent of the new". That was Johhny Randolph back in 1967; THE innovator in Louisville.... I don't blame you, if we could bottle radio I'd pour WAKY79, 1968 through 1972 every day, just to keep the taste. But the whole industry works differently these days. Radio today cannot be what it was, it can only be what it is. Wasn't your initial attraction to WAKY (or any other station) because it was "new", "fresh" or "different"?Slamming "what's next" makes you sound, at best, wistful. I will leave you to your memories but, if you just listen, you'll hear tomorrow's oldies, today. Maybe it's "pop" music, not just because it's popular, but because it "pops" and goes away...
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Post by Max on Aug 20, 2005 11:30:51 GMT -5
I agree 100% with the statement that radio cannot be what it used to be. The reason for this is society has changed-that's no new revelation. More and more of your buying public anymore is younger and younger and their tastes are vastly different than ours, unless they grew up listening to what mom and dad were playing. I don't argue that. I just don't want to be told I have to accept today's radio formats and that I am, in essence, being an old fogey, like many of us felt older people were when we were younger. This is also like trying to force acceptance of an 'alternative lifestyle'...but I won't go there. Alot of WAKY & WKLO listeners are older than me and are retired, so they tend not to pump money into the local economy like they once did. This is a big reason, if not the main one, radio has changed...kind of like politicians who cater to whatever the latest poll, or in this case 'arbitron' dictates.
Changing the subject ever so slightly, I feel I am probably not going to look so good to Kevin and RJC with this next statement, but while I've been working on computer modifications I've been listening to LoueyFM (WLUE 100.5) and I've found it quite listenable. They cover a broad scope from the 70's to the decent 90's stuff (now they're playing Aerosmith's "Dream On") and I could deal with this. In all reality, this mix is more like WAKY than alot, if not most of, today's formats. I guess you could say it features 'newer' oldies. This goes against an earlier post of mine after only listening to one song and saying they were a "tweaked version of the Fox" designed to go head to head with WQMF and WSFR.
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Post by Elmo O Doobie on Aug 20, 2005 12:49:51 GMT -5
Max, you don't "have" to do anything or for that matter, "accept" anything. None of us do. The world is going to go forward, sometimes erratically, but forward nonetheless... with or without us.
I speak to a couple of schools at career days every year. Where once I talked only about AM and FM and the formats and personalities available on them, I now talk about downloading and virtual radio stations. If you visit myspace.com you'll find 320,000 musical artists and acts from all around the world... all trying to standout above the everyday din. And the din is getting louder!!! You'll also find 25 MILLION other web pages of individuals, linked to their friends. It's a phenomenon. Time was, all you needed to do was bowl at Pee Wee Reese Lanes, grab a beer at Air Devil's and drop into the All Wool and a Yard Wide Democratic club and you knew everyone and everything you needed to know. And if you did'nt, Wayne Perkey would let you know on the way to work. These days, your phone beeps and you get a text message that brings you news updates... and you usually have to put your wife on hold to receive it!
But I am glad you took time to further evaluate your "Jack" station. It's not THE best thing in radio, but it is the NEXT thing, like WAKY was 4 decades ago.
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Post by Kevin on Aug 20, 2005 16:39:07 GMT -5
Three things:
1. How does a non-cpmmerical playing station like LoueyFM make any money?
2. I have listened to LoueyFM for a few days, and they do play a variety of songs as MAX says. But they aren't varied enough for me. I have gone back to WRKA and WASE. I like oldies --even if they are in a frequent and boring rotation.
3. As technology advances won't be long until there is a computer int he car and a driver will just have to say the name of a song and the tune will play. So everyone will be listening to songs they can request, and they will probably never give a new song a chance. Wouldn't it be ironic thay as technology improves the creation of new music slows down and eventually could come to a complete stop? Where everyone is in their own element, listening to their specialized music from the past, and there is no more MASS media. Oh well, just a thought I had and I went with it.
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Post by John Quincy on Aug 20, 2005 16:59:20 GMT -5
I haven't heard the station, but the commercial-free thing is no doubt a stunt. You'll eventually hear commercials. Running commercial-free right now will help attract listeners, which will translate to ratings, which will translate to commercials. You can't really sell commercials on a new station anyway (and get any decent money for them) since the advertiser has no idea how many people are listening.
Even if a device that plays particular songs upon voice command comes into existence, most people are too busy with their lives to program their own music. They'd rather just turn on a music source and let it roll. That's why music formats on radio thrive today...and will continue to thrive.
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Post by RJC on Aug 20, 2005 19:52:59 GMT -5
Changing the subject ever so slightly, I feel I am probably not going to look so good to Kevin and RJC with this next statement, but while I've been working on computer modifications I've been listening to LoueyFM (WLUE 100.5) and I've found it quite listenable. They cover a broad scope from the 70's to the decent 90's stuff (now they're playing Aerosmith's "Dream On") and I could deal with this. In all reality, this mix is more like WAKY than alot, if not most of, today's formats. I guess you could say it features 'newer' oldies. This goes against an earlier post of mine after only listening to one song and saying they were a "tweaked version of the Fox" designed to go head to head with WQMF and WSFR. Max, don't misunderstand me, I have no problem with the "Louie" format, like you, I have listened to it, and have been blown away by the varity. My beef is with putting The Fox on a frequency that is weak, WTFX after being on the air for 12 years, deserves better then to get bumped to a weak signal. |
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Post by Elmo O Doobie on Aug 22, 2005 8:57:53 GMT -5
First things first: Louie will have spots as soon as enough people get the word out about it. But they will be limited to about half of the spotload on current successful stations. It's the "less is more" theory....
Talking about advancing technology... get ready for High definition r-a-d-i-o... As analog transmitters becomes digital.... each frequency on the band could have as many as EIGHT signals each. This means 102.3 will have channels A, B, C, D, E, F, G and H! The question remains, will you buy a new radio to receive the new signals? Imagine the programming possibilities, not to mention the sales possibilities: The Southern High School football network... The Filson Club All Louisville history channel.... As one PD said 20 years ago: "How thin can we slice the (ratings) pie before no one wants dessert?". But it also means you can have your "radio as it used to be" channel, too.
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Post by bruiser on Aug 22, 2005 11:55:39 GMT -5
HD radio is already here. You can already buy a HD radio, but they are very expensive. AM freqs will also have more than one signal. I've also heard that with the advent of HD radio, the days of dxing will end, as HD signals will not be subject to to atmoshperic phenomenon the way analog signals are.
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Post by Elmo O Doobie on Aug 22, 2005 18:57:24 GMT -5
Think the radios are expensive??? Imagine the cost of the transmitter
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Post by Max on Aug 25, 2005 7:44:04 GMT -5
What WLUE is doing by starting out commercial free is similar, in a way, to how some stations get on the air initially. It's called being a 'silent station'. One of our FM stations, WTHX Star 107.3, did this a couple of years back. What we did was play commericial free music with only liners and top of the hour ID until officially going on the air. Pity, too, as the playlist during the silent period, albeit a short list at that, consisted of pure 70's soul/R&B, most of it being of the Philadelphia soul type. Unfortunately, when the time came to go live, they switched to today's hot hits and Kidd Kraddock in the morning, no offense to Kidd. I'm not totally sure of the purpose of a silent station, other than maybe it's a period to just get on the air while getting your ducks in a row. I believe 107.3 was already a Commonwealth station out of Lebanon Junction before they moved her to Elizabethtown.
Nevertheless, this could be yet another reason, Kevin, for the commercial free operation. It also makes perfect sense for the station to test the waters before trying to sell airtime. Getting the name out there is extremely important. I'm assuming that, unlike a silent station, LoueyFM will keep their format.
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